Interviewing Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine: “Shall you vote for CSFSF to accept spent fuel from other countries for storage in future?”

On the 5th of April 2018, the Uatom.org web-site editors interviewed deputies of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. The questions related to the further of the Centralized Spent fuel Storage Facility (CSFSF) that is currently constructed in Chornobyl Exclusion Zone and also to the position of deputies of Ukraine with regard to nuclear sector facilities located within temporary uncontrolled territories of Ukraine.

Oleg Musiy, the Member of Parliament of Ukraine (non-affiliated member)

1. Currently, a set of nuclear sector facilities are still located within the temporarily uncontrolled territories of Ukraine. In particular, it is a research reactor in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and facilities of Donetsk Specialized Plant of the UkrDO Radon State Corporation. Do you think that it is possible to qualify the unlawful appropriation of nuclear facilities of other country as nuclear terrorism?

“The unlawful appropriation of any kind of property is already a disgraceful thing. If we are talking about nuclear facilities, then this can be qualified as a terrorism since it makes a threat to the mankind”.

2. Should you vote for the CSFSF, that is currently constructed in Chornobyl Exclusion Zone, to accept the spent fuel from other countries for storage in future?

“I am definitely for the clean environment. And I believe that maximum that Ukraine can undertake with regard to CSFSF is to store its own spent fuel. But again, if there’s nowhere else to store it. I think that it is unacceptable for Ukraine, where 80% of the soil is black soil – the most fertile land, to become a nuclear waste deposit. Therefore, in case of consideration in Verkhovna Rada of the storage of spent fuel from other countries in CSFSF – I would definitely vote “against””.

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Tetyana Chornovol, Member of Parliament of Ukraine (fraction of political Party “Narodnyy Front”)

1. Currently, a set of nuclear sector facilities are still located within the temporarily uncontrolled territories of Ukraine. In particular, it is a research reactor in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and facilities of Donetsk Specialized Plant of the UkrDO Radon State Corporation. Do you think that it is possible to qualify the unlawful appropriation of nuclear facilities of other country as nuclear terrorism?

“I think that it is possible to qualify this as a terrorism”.

2. Should you vote for the CSFSF, that is currently constructed in Chornobyl Exclusion Zone, to accept the spent fuel from other countries for storage in future?

“I believe this issue should be considered in more detail. Spent fuel is a resource that we cannot use currently because of the lack of necessary technologies. However, we can observe the onrush development of science and technology in this field. So, it is quite possible that very soon the spent fuel will become a value not waste for many countries. Ukraine pays billions to send SF to Russian Federation for storage and processing. On the contrary, many other countries understand that SF is a resource that can be used in future”.

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Yuriy Chyzhmar, Member of Parliament of Ukraine (Fraction of the Radical Party of Oleh Lyashko)

1. Currently, a set of nuclear sector facilities are still located within the temporarily uncontrolled territories of Ukraine. In particular, it is a research reactor in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and facilities of Donetsk Specialized Plant of the UkrDO Radon State Corporation. Do you think that it is possible to qualify the unlawful appropriation of nuclear facilities of other country as nuclear terrorism?

“It is not easy to give a definite answer. The Verkhovna Rada characterized the occupied territories and appropriated property of Ukraine as annexation in Crimea and occupation in Donbass. To qualify this as a terrorism – it is necessary to have certain indicators complied with current Ukrainian legislation. In order to understand whether this is the subject of nuclear terrorism – first of all, it is necessary to find out if these facilities can be used for nuclear weaponization. With this regard, the technical conclusion is necessary. This is if we act legally. From the political point of view, we can say that it is nuclear terrorism, and so on. But as for me, I think that it is the annexation and occupation”.

2. Should you vote for the CSFSF, that is currently constructed in Chornobyl Exclusion Zone, to accept the spent fuel from other countries for storage in future?

“The CSFSF is designed to store the spent nuclear fuel of Ukrainian NPPs only. As for storage of the spent fuel from abroad –I am against it. This is my position as a citizen of Ukraine as a Member of Parliament and as a member of the Committee on Fuel and Energy Complex”.

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Mykhaylo Khmil, Member of Parliament of Ukraine (fraction political Party “Narodnyy Front”)

1. Currently, a set of nuclear sector facilities are still located within the temporarily uncontrolled territories of Ukraine. In particular, it is a research reactor in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and facilities of Donetsk Specialized Plant of the UkrDO Radon State Corporation. Do you think that it is possible to qualify the unlawful appropriation of nuclear facilities of other country as nuclear terrorism?

“Of course, if it is aggression, if it is a forcible takeover, it can be qualified as terrorism. The facilities at the occupied territories – the high risk area. The takeover of such facilities increases the probability of environmental disaster. Undoubtedly, we have to coupe with this. Can we currently force the Russian to manage the nuclear facilities in some other way? It is doubtful. Together with the international community we have to appeal to Russian to comply with the international requirements for the management of nuclear materials”.

2. Should you vote for the CSFSF, that is currently constructed in Chornobyl Exclusion Zone, to accept the spent fuel from other countries for storage in future?

“Honestly speaking, I do not want the Ukraine to become a nuclear waste deposit. Personally, for me, such position is unacceptable. Therefore, I would vote against such a law”.

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Mustafa Jemilev, Presidential Commissioner for the Rights of Crimean Tatars, Member of Parliament of Ukraine (fraction of the Party “Bloc of Petro Poroshenko”)

1. Currently, a set of nuclear sector facilities are still located within the temporarily uncontrolled territories of Ukraine. In particular, it is a research reactor in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and facilities of Donetsk Specialized Plant of the UkrDO Radon State Corporation. Do you think that it is possible to qualify the unlawful appropriation of nuclear facilities of other country as nuclear terrorism?

“I can only tell you about the Crimea. In 1950-1951, the repository for nuclear materials was built near Feodosia (Kyzyltash tract). Immediately after annexation, the Russians started its restoration. It was done at an accelerating pace. At first, Crimean Tatars were hired to work at the repository: drivers, loaders. So, we received full information about this facility. But the restoration was completed and the Crimean Tatars were fired. So far, there is a triple cordon, increased security and video surveillance. According to the information from two independent sources, there have been delivered 6 nuclear warheads. First of all, this is a flagrant violation of the Budapest Memorandum, since legally Crimea is the territory of Ukraine. We, as a non-nuclear state, have again become nuclear. I appealed to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and to many Members of Parliament with regard to that we need the IAEA support. After all, the threat is hanging not only over Ukraine, but over the entire Black Sea Region. As for the research reactor, unfortunately, I do not know anything”.

2. Should you vote for the CSFSF, that is currently constructed in Chornobyl Exclusion Zone, to accept the spent fuel from other countries for storage in future?

“No, I would not vote for such draft law. We have to care about next generations”.

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Oleksandra Kuzhel, Member of Parliament of Ukraine (fraction of the political Party “All-Ukrainian Union “Batkivschyna””)

1. Currently, a set of nuclear sector facilities are still located within the temporarily uncontrolled territories of Ukraine. In particular, it is a research reactor in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and facilities of Donetsk Specialized Plant of the UkrDO Radon State Corporation. Do you think that it is possible to qualify the unlawful appropriation of nuclear facilities of other country as nuclear terrorism?

“It is possible”.

2. Should you vote for the CSFSF, that is currently constructed in Chornobyl Exclusion Zone, to accept the spent fuel from other countries for storage in future?

“No”.

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Igor Gavrylov, Member of Parliament of Ukraine of the 3d calling (Member of the Green Party of Ukraine)

1. Currently, a set of nuclear sector facilities are still located within the temporarily uncontrolled territories of Ukraine. In particular, it is a research reactor in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and facilities of Donetsk Specialized Plant of the UkrDO Radon State Corporation. Do you think that it is possible to qualify the unlawful appropriation of nuclear facilities of other country as nuclear terrorism?

“Of course it is possible. After all, we are not able to control how these facilities are used. We have no optimism in this regard”.

2. Should you vote for the CSFSF, that is currently constructed in Chornobyl Exclusion Zone, to accept the spent fuel from other countries for storage in future?

“My personal attitude to this is not to vote for it. If someone thinks of taking advantage of this, risking the safety of the whole country, then it is senseless. If we had the opportunity to transfer our own spent fuel to Russian Federation, we would continue to do it. However, in current situation we have to store our own spent fuel somewhere”.

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Vasyl Nimchenko, Member of Parliament of Ukraine (fraction of the political Party “Opposition Bloc”)

1. Currently, a set of nuclear sector facilities are still located within the temporarily uncontrolled territories of Ukraine. In particular, it is a research reactor in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and facilities of Donetsk Specialized Plant of the UkrDO Radon State Corporation. Do you think that it is possible to qualify the unlawful appropriation of nuclear facilities of other country as nuclear terrorism?

“To qualify these or that actions as “nuclear terrorism”, it is necessary to consider all discriminating features and qualification factors of this illegal act, including objective and subjective aspects. As for the subjective aspect – there must be an intention for terror. Who might be intended to blow up the reactor or to intimidate people? After all, there is a notion of “moral terror” and “physical terror”. So, it can be a moral terror. Yet, in this case, it is not an issue. There is no crime here, there are no discriminating features. Therefore, if there is a nuclear reactor, but there are no actions that would confirm bad intentions – we cannot say that it is nuclear terrorism”.

2. Should you vote for the CSFSF, that is currently constructed in Chornobyl Exclusion Zone, to accept the spent fuel from other countries for storage in future?

“Surely, no”.

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Oleksiy Bily, Member of Parliament of Ukraine (fraction of the political Party “Opposition Bloc”)

1. Currently, a set of nuclear sector facilities are still located within the temporarily uncontrolled territories of Ukraine. In particular, it is a research reactor in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and facilities of Donetsk Specialized Plant of the UkrDO Radon State Corporation. Do you think that it is possible to qualify the unlawful appropriation of nuclear facilities of other country as nuclear terrorism?

“You can qualify this so in case of forcible takeover of the nuclear facilities of one country by another country”.

2. Should you vote for the CSFSF, that is currently constructed in Chornobyl Exclusion Zone, to accept the spent fuel from other countries for storage in future?

“No”.

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Valentyn Didych, Member of Parliament of Ukraine (non-affiliated member)

1. Currently, a set of nuclear sector facilities are still located within the temporarily uncontrolled territories of Ukraine. In particular, it is a research reactor in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and facilities of Donetsk Specialized Plant of the UkrDO Radon State Corporation. Do you think that it is possible to qualify the unlawful appropriation of nuclear facilities of other country as nuclear terrorism?

“I believe that more precise notion for this is a nuclear terrorism threat. Why is it a threat? Because the facilities are already captured and the representatives of Russian Federation claim that they are not involved in the conflict and that “we are not there”. But in reality, Russia manages, controls, finances and supports but does not take a responsibility for all that. And demonstrates for the whole world that it is a conflict within Ukraine”.

2. Should you vote for the CSFSF, that is currently constructed in Chornobyl Exclusion Zone, to accept the spent fuel from other countries for storage in future?

“I believe that Ukraine was enough contaminated as a result of Chernobyl Disaster. I am totally against the storage of spent fuel from other countries in CSFSF. However, I’m for the storage of our own spent fuel in CSFSF because this spent fuel is of local origination. However, what is really important is that CSFSF must comply with the most sever nuclear safety requirements”.

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